People are either pretending to be shocked by the Hugh Hefner allegations or they just don't pay att

Almost all the publicised claims from the new docu-series about him are already on the record. People are melting down over the "revelation" he forced Linda Lovelace have sex with a dog but that was in her own autobiography, "Ordeal" that came out decades ago,. Do people lie and pretend to be stunned by these

Almost all the publicised claims from the new docu-series about him are already on the record. People are melting down over the "revelation" he forced Linda Lovelace have sex with a dog but that was in her own autobiography, "Ordeal" that came out decades ago,. Do people lie and pretend to be stunned by these "secrets" or do they just not read? Do they need the media to officially tell them when it's ok to be disgusted by an evil person?

by Anonymousreply 29January 27, 2022 8:39 PM

I didn't care before Saint WokeTardism was a national holiday (wh. is every day presently). And I don't care now. Don't you have other things you can direct your energy toward? Oh, sorry... dumb question.

by Anonymousreply 2January 25, 2022 3:22 AM

People wait to be told.

They're that lazy.

Like the media told them he was a nice quirky old man in that stupid reality show, so they ate that up.

Most of the fucktards who watched that don't even read and don't know Lovelace fucked a dog at his "behest".

Now the outrage has been monetized in this new show the same people wait to be spoon fed that.

by Anonymousreply 3January 25, 2022 4:50 AM

They’re probably the same people who think R Kelly was railroaded!

by Anonymousreply 4January 25, 2022 5:02 AM

I guess it's good for him that he is dead, so that they can't put him in jail.

by Anonymousreply 5January 25, 2022 5:55 AM

A lot of women chose to do disgusting things at the mansion for a bit of fame and a good lifestyle. They all hated sex with him and they all hated the forced orgies.

by Anonymousreply 6January 25, 2022 7:57 AM

ALL of his ex girlfriends have said how gross the orgies were,. They all participated due to pressure. Some did it transactionally.

by Anonymousreply 7January 25, 2022 10:28 AM

I’m stupid. Could you explain transactionally? If they wanted that lifestyle, how could they have been “forced”?

by Anonymousreply 8January 25, 2022 11:02 AM

Transaction = sex exchanged for something they do want.

by Anonymousreply 9January 25, 2022 11:06 AM

Not pro-Heffner, but those women (Holly and the rest) were living in the Playboy mansion rent-free, had allowances, cars and even had their own show thanks to this "arrangement". That seems a fair trade for sitting on his gollum dick now and then.

by Anonymousreply 11January 25, 2022 1:30 PM

They didn't believe Lovelace when she told the story, they thought she made most of her book up because they considered her a nasty old whore trying to take down dignified gentlemen like Hefner.

by Anonymousreply 12January 25, 2022 1:33 PM

Oh come on r 12. Part of it was because Linda was pretty fucking nutty and therefore not entirely believable. She was way before the #metoo movement.

by Anonymousreply 13January 25, 2022 1:35 PM

Transactional sex is not literal hooking. Money doesn't have to change hands. It can be career advancement, a TV show, invitations to parties. Anything an aspiring starlet might value more than her chastity.

by Anonymousreply 14January 25, 2022 9:59 PM

The problem with people dismissing Lovelace at the time is that Hefner is on the record as admitting it happened, and he even said he was sorry he put her in that position because he said he wasn't aware her violent pimp husband was forcing this depraved bestiality whore persona on her.

by Anonymousreply 15January 25, 2022 10:07 PM

I've never heard even one ex Playboy girl admit she did things she didn't want to do at the mansion, in order for a shot at fame and money. Yes Hefner and his organisation were filth but it takes two to tango.

by Anonymousreply 16January 26, 2022 8:49 AM

There are at least two 1970s pornos of Lovelace with a dog out there that she made before she ever met Hefner. That's why he asked to see her "perform" live.

by Anonymousreply 17January 27, 2022 8:36 AM

Doesn't mean he should have asked her to do it. How about respecting someone when perhaps they might not be in a state where they can respect themselves.

by Anonymousreply 18January 27, 2022 9:30 AM

Very 21st century attitude r18.

by Anonymousreply 19January 27, 2022 9:36 AM

R12 Linda Lovelace had sex with a dog prior to the Hefner incident, and that's what she wrote about in "Ordeal."

I also know the dog story is true. I personally know a former porn star from the 1970s who told me the story of how he did a "loop" with Lovelace back before her Deep Throat fame. They did a sex scene together, and when it was finished and he was getting dressed, Linda's husband Chuck Traynor brought a dog into the room and Linda started having sex with it while the camera continued rolling.

by Anonymousreply 20January 27, 2022 10:40 AM

"Yes Hefner and his organisation were filth but it takes two to tango."

It takes two to rape.

It takes two to murder.

I don't think your numerology magic is going to work for your argument.

by Anonymousreply 21January 27, 2022 10:46 AM

I wasn't talking about rapes or crimes. I was talking about the countless instances where people chose to degrade themselves at the mansion for career advancement. Many of the girlfriends have spoken openly of how they hated the orgies and sex with Hef but decided to do it anyway because they wanted what it brought.

by Anonymousreply 22January 27, 2022 10:49 AM

The big thing that stands out to me about those women who are bashing him in this doco is that that they all stayed with him - either professionally or romantically - for YEARS. Holly M was his girlfriend for 7 years. 7 frikkin' years! It's hard to believe that these people all hated being around him that much if they were willing to stay that long.

by Anonymousreply 23January 27, 2022 10:53 AM

Many of these women came from literally nothing. They were nobodies working minimum wage jobs and then they got a lifestyle, fame and money from Playboy. Realistically, that's hard to walk away from. The vile orgies and the gross sex with Hef were a price many were prepared to pay. They hated it, but it was 20 minutes out of the day and they could switch off during.

by Anonymousreply 24January 27, 2022 10:57 AM

I wasn't talking about rapes or crimes.

You were talking about prostitution/ sex trafficking. The line between them is thin and often non-existent.

But according to you, if a woman is a sex worker, then she has no protection under the law and has no right to complain about mistreatment.

Which tells me more than I need to know about you.

by Anonymousreply 25January 27, 2022 11:34 AM

These sex orgies happened during AIDS, no? (1980s). Then he must have worn a condom at least. Still gross, but none of them seemingly got STDs or AIDS. Makes me wonder….

by Anonymousreply 26January 27, 2022 11:35 AM

Just patriarchy rearing it's ugly head.

by Anonymousreply 27January 27, 2022 11:52 AM

What's depressing to me is that DL has decided to attack the women who've made these allegations.

by Anonymousreply 28January 27, 2022 11:54 AM

No one ever said there were no STDs. He never used condoms, at least post AIDS, so herpes and HPV would have been endemic.

by Anonymousreply 29January 27, 2022 8:39 PM

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